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RE: Death
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posted by Denise W
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Another really BIG question!
Time is elastic. Time on the plane of Malkuth (earth) is an illusion and time on the spiritual planes is meaningless. Enlightenment is instantaneous (takes no time). Existence and reincarnation is everything to do with the subjective observer and has little to do with any fixed point in time or space. Because of this Marabas has posited that we can live multiple incarnations concurrently and 'memories' of past lives are actually experiences of switching from one ongoing reincarnatory track to another, through dimensions.
Marabas teaches that there is only one reason why we should need to return to the physical plane and that is to refine and evolve the soul-self. The gods create Malkuth as an arena of adversity where cause and effect occur and force us to deal with incompletenesses or weaknesses in the soul-self. As we hone the soul self through multiple incarnations the physical conditions required are rarified and focussed towards perfection until there is no necessity to return for ourselves. There follows a period where as illuminated beings we can return to assist others but ultimately we become One and permanently rise above the pathetic human condition.
Because time is meaningless and relative to the subjective observer our next incarnation occurs in a split second which is itself eternity, as Omar Khyam wrote,
"One looked into a mirror and asked 'how long have I to live'.
The answer came.
"Though shalt live for millions of years. A period of millions of years."
Although there have been numerous ancient methods posited to try to take control of the spirit as it leaves the dying physical body, involving chanting or focussing on a particular sigil/symbol etc. one would have to have an impossibly urgent task to perform to attempt this and interrupt the normal sequence of passing through the planes. The question one would need to ask is not so much how this is done but why you would need to do it?
BB
Denise Wadsworth
Scribe to Marabas
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RE: Death
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posted by Paul
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"Is there supposed to be a fairly long period of time inbetween each incarnation? - I seem to vagely remember this from one of Marabas`s teachings?"
Hi,
I was under the impression that the duration was connected to desire during the life-after-death/bardo experiences. I am a bit of a novice in this respect, but that was my impression. It would mean that some people may spend a lot of earth time journeying in the other world, whilst others may reincarnate quite soon after the death of their previous physical body. I don't think there is a hard and fast rule. I could be way off though with my views/understanding.
I don't know your position spiritually, but I know that when the ones close to me pass away (assuming I don't go first) I will be focusing on ancestor 'worship'/connection. Photos, prayers, candles etc. That kind of connection.
Hopefully Marabas/Denise will be able to offer their perspective when they get chance.
Best wishes
Paul
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RE: Death
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posted by HeadsAkimbo
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Hi all,to clear up any confusion it was me that asked the initial question and have just recently lost a close family member.Thank you for your replies they are helping as it is weighing on my mind alot at the moment.Is there supposed to be a fairly long period of time inbetween each incarnation? - I seem to vagely remember this from one of Marabas`s teachings?
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RE: Death
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posted by Paul
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Thanks Denise, I haven't read this and will pick a copy up at some point.
For life reflection (aims/goals/desires etc) I do a pathworking meditation of visualising myself on my death bed and looking back at my life. What is good, bad, what didn't I do? I personally believe that this also is a very powerful technique if you can face it.
Cheers
Paul
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RE: Death
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posted by Denise W
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Hi Paul, apologies for the confusion over thinking you placed the initial question. You mention the Buddhist approach to death. Have you seen Marabas's Death Meditation? He
covers the technique exceptionally powerfully in his OEXP008 The Looking Glass Meditation - a Trip of Inner Discovery. This is
very advanced stuff and certainly not for the faint-hearted but for
those who want to stare into the face of the boatman of the Styx it has no equal. BB Denise W. Scribe to Marabas
P.S. You can view details of OEXP008 at
http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/occultls.htm#OEXP008
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RE: Death
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posted by Paul
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Hi Denise
Couple of comments:
1. Mistaken identity (2nd time - I must have some magical effect/shape shifter or something?!) as I didn't ask the initial question, I was just responding to the question and to your mention of anima mundi, relating that to DL. So this is a misunderstanding, as I wasn't asking about life and everything, but hopefully trying to share a deeper view of Azoth etc. (something that is a long term study/contemplation/meditation for me)
2. I AM = samedhi. Yes I believe that is a good way of describing it. I had this experience once, spontaneously. Very intense and the normal persona dropped away and I felt like the sun. Amazing. But it led me to perceive that there are different levels of this experience, depending upon the dominance of the personality to cloud over I AM/Essence.
3. Love the folklore analogy/teaching. That is really nice.
Finally, thanks for all the feedback as I am - and I assume a lot of occultists are - very interested in death topic and certainly embrace it rather than run away from it. As the Buddhists say the most powerful meditation is that on death.
Cheers
Paul
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RE: Death
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posted by Denise W.
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Hi Paul. From the way you worded your initial question I thought you were trying to come to terms with a loved one's death so my last reply majored on things relative. Now I see you are asking about ' the Ultimate Question of Life and Everything', (as Douglas Adams put it). . I presume by the 'I Am' experience you mean Samadhi or the state of 'being whilst not being' - which is the soul shorne of its personalities? Marabas's teachings on this are: ' Man Know Thyself' is the masters' greatest dictum and most genuine occult training (distinguished from results magic) attempts to loosen the protective psychic shields which we build around ourselves to cope with the vagaries of life. These are brought under willed control so that the soul benefits from them and they do not take command of and drive the soul down specious paths. Thus within ourselves we find the Truth whereas without all is Samsara (illusion). However this gives us only a clue as to the sequences of death. Our physical body returns to Gaia from whence it came and is entirely disposable. Our quintessence, the soul, is immortal, weighs less than the smallest feather and cannot be seen, as the Egyptian priests used to say, but free of gravitational forces it conglomerates in the anima-mundi and becomes one with everything that ever was and will be, under a divine name or 'magical number' which is the imprint of our magical and spiritual development on the earth plane. This ensures that this one 'divine number' this spiritual speck of sound (it is actually a vibrational frequency of course which can manifest in various ways) can be used to remanifest us or reincarnate our soul in the physical plane again at any time in the future much like a minute section of a fractal image can be used to recreate the full picture from which it was taken. The folklore memory of this is the idea that if a mirror is broken into a million shards, each minute shard will contain the essence of the person who last looked into it. Even if the shards were ground into powder and thrown to the four winds each molecule would contain the same reflection and somewhere in it would be the frequency which would link back to that person. This is why it is possible to use magic mirrors in necromancy to recontact discarnate entities IF you have their soul's divine name or it's magical number or sound. Conversely it also means that you can gain Magical Memory of your own logoidal track and previous reincarnations if you find its correct frequency/sound. This is all a bit complex and disturbing for surfers in this beginners forum but you did ask! BB Denise Wadsworth, Scribe to Marabas
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RE: Death
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posted by Paul
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Quote from Denise' post: "Most traditions perceive a melding of the deceased's soul with the anima mundi from where we all originally manifested."
This is a teaching that I first came across via the Society of Dark Lily (An Introduction to Immortality). I have also related it to Azoth (from alchemy, but also something ONA briefly discussed in Naos I believe) which I understand to refers to the "place of rotting souls".
There is a mention in DJ Conways 'By Oak, Ash and Thorn' book on Celtic Shamanism (I am a newbie to this path) that states:
“very early Celtic material are rather vague, sometimes calling Annwn the abyss, sometimes a paradise. All agree that Annwn is a type of pit or cauldron of creating and reviving matter that creates new life.” (p88)
To me, all of these ideas refer to the dissolution of the individual form back into the cosmic pool from whence new forms will then arise. This is little different, I believe, from what we see in nature during the cycles of the year. Indicating an aspect of 'All is One'.
Also in relation to these teachings and ideas I consider the psyche/personalities: Early occult work should reveal the different facets/masks of our personality (one mask for work, another for family, another for the customer/client etc etc). To find the True Self, we attempt to see through the outer forms, which all relate to time, place, culture, upbringing, body (though I believe that they may also have roots in 'other/past lives' for want of a better description) and look for something deeper and more real than the imitating pesonalities. This leads to the I AM HERE experience.
However, when we get to the Essence/True Self/Observer/I AM HERE experience we are also dealing with something that has many cells from different past lives. Standard occult view is that this is a singularity that reincarnates, but my own experience is that this is actually a multiple of cells or droplets of energy that come from Azoth and other people.
When I die, my cells will remerge to Azoth, split up and dissolve. Or, if I am advanced in occult work, I may be able to unite them (not sure how, but I think the astral, mental, divine bodies may relate to the work here) and this would be the path to Immortality.(This is LHP Dark Lily view).
[This is my own view and conclusions. Some of my terms may be inaccurate as some terms seem to have different meanings to different people etc]
Best wishes
Paul
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RE: Death
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posted by denise.wadsworth@sorcerers-appentice.co.uk
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BIG subject! I have had a word with Marabas and he said that there are dozens of different traditional perspectives on death and after-death occurrences depending largely on the religious beliefs of the person who has died and the loved ones left behind. He can only answer succinctly on the technical and psychological aspects.
Most modern ceremonial/funerial aspects are to promote the grieving of those left behind. In traditional magical/occult beliefs techniques of easing the passing of the spirit were employed (chanting, last rites, converting the physical body to smoke which ascended heavenwards etc.) It was generally believed that certain deaths, particularly violent or unexpected ones, caught the spirit between worlds where the remnants of the personality might not let go of this incarnation because of some compulsion or obsession about tasks to complete/finish. They might then remain to guide or harrass the living causing themselves and others uhappiness and even torment in some instances, giving rise to legends about ghosts. This is largely exaggerated and hardly ever occurs because in the cosmic scheme of things a single incarnation is a very inconsequential thing.
All occultists believe in life after death, (neo-satanism is the exception and is a form of spiritual humanism though La Vey did at one time offer satanic funeral ceremonies) though the exact form and substance varies in each tradition.
To allow for a swift and contented death loved ones left behind need to come to terms with the passing and observe the wishes of the deceased. Once everyone has come to terms with the death and the new situation (a year and a day) contact can be tried with the deceased using various psychic means but beginning always with the easiest, one-to-one prayer, first before complicating matters with seances and intermediaries.
The idea of people being judged and condemned to purgatory after death is a typically nasty Christian illusion designed not to help the dead but to frighten the living into compliance. Most traditions perceive a melding of the deceased's soul with the anima mundi from where we all originally manifested. Hell, if it exists anywhere, exists here on earth, not in Heaven.
This is a very, very brief outline just to get this thread rolling. BB Denise Wadsworth, Scribe to Marabas
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Death
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posted by HeadsAkimbo
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Hi, I`ve very recently lost a very close family member,I remember bits and pieces from various Marabas teachings and oexp`s but I just wondered if you could give a brief occult point of view on what happens next from their point of view.Thanks.
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