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RE: graveyards
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posted by kimball
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D is right. ther is no need to moross over having to spend say £15.00 over a train fare into the country to do magical work.
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Cemeteries etc.
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posted by William
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To clarify if needed, my own curiosity was whether such places which are
for the rest and remembrance of the departed are of any use for attuning
to spirit communication, such as having a stroll through, reading the
stones having a seat on the benches provided and trying to pick up on
any feelings. All done quietly and no one would know, in broad daylight.
Next grave to a late friend of mine is actually very beautiful and I wish
more were like it. There's a huge tree at it and the family/friends have hung windchimes and small yule-tree stars and stuff. the chimes tinkle away in
the breeze and it's very nice.
..William.
<P><I>[Infoburst: Well yes William, there are surroundings which are more or less conducive to bridging the planes and choosing wisely will increase the chances of a successful contact but one has to be realistic. The quiet sanctuary of a cemetery may be a comparative haven of solitude in the middle of a frenetic city but I still wouldn't advise using it as a place for meditation or spirit contact. To do so misses the fundamental point that true spirits, being spirits, are everywhere at once anyway, so it doesn't matter where you contact them. Location can only be of value to astral shells/shades which are stuck in that place and so are apt to deceive and mislead those who try to work there. BB Denise W. ]
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Graveyards.
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posted by nome.
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Now I see your point, re: Desecration. I wandered through a cemetary, 12-15 yrs. ago, and saw a magnificent tree, which some young idiots had carved 'sex' & 'magic' etc. into it, filling the cuts with spray-paint. I was disgusted, total abuse of nature.
And yes, I have a private Holy Temple, no-one else enters there.
Took me a while to grasp this thread; the last info burst did it. Thankyou muchly!
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Stamping on the beliefes of others
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posted by Ricenpeas
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Hanging around graveyards is a bit TV enit. People who go to graveyards to do rituals are like people who go to the town center to hug a tree. Its just "look at me" NAN. Graveyards are places where people go to remeber people and I could see why they would be a bit pissed off with a load of drama queens stamping on there beliefs. The Aeon has given us options, lets use em!
Ricenpeas
<P><I>[Infoburst: When Darkorder started this thread I was in two minds whether to delete it but then surmised that it would be a good idea to shed the light of Truth upon this ancient anti-occult stereotype. Yet even after we have cleared most of the untruths it seems that even people who should know better are prepared to allow the lie some breathing room. In doing so they give grist to the mill of the tabloid hacks and the Xists. The bottom line is that Genuine occultists and esotericists do not desecrate or disrespect the holy places of others because they have ones of their own and fully appreciate what the word 'sacred' means. Any glue-head who thinks wearing black and hanging about in a cemetery somehow makes them a toughie should learn from this thread that in truth it simply reveals them as just another sad rebellious adolescent who will probably drop the occult disguise and become a died in the wool Xist by the time they get to middle-age! BB Denise W. ]
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RE: graveyards
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posted by no-nome.
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Greetings All, may serenity flow.
Of those who progenite the placement of new Aeonic flow: One does know of two religions, of differing times, with names for this type.They are Entitled to form their own Religions. Declare their law; It is most prudent in New Aeonic situation, to work with the word spoken I.E. The eclectic New Aeonic energies as one 'word'
Here; It is concretised as : S.A. Marabus.
There is a an outrage; Gods shall not be made manifest in places of the dead. Says Denise, in that Her Gods would as Furies be!
For The Marabusen, 'go with the word given' seems appropriate.
Myself? One sees both sides of the coin, then a cube of views/ideas> resultant in: whichever piece of it you look at, it's all much of a muchness. A varient of the idea. A cube.
Pleasantries.
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Holy Ground.
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posted by Anonymous
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I was told it's interesting here. Whats a nan? Something you disagree with obviously, but.
I see my old shade chums on a plane other than malkuth. I've never seen a shade hold cohesion near malkuth for more than two weeks, then allocation is performed.
Very sorry, I didn't realise you evoke furious gods, I invoke Gods, I've walked right into it, hell. (Thanks, buddy.)
Well. I was impressed by your comments on TAO, I-ching.
Evoking 'gods'of fury. I s'pose im in trouble now.
I spose you'll hunt me now. Even if I have to live in concrete, for now, I'll stick to invocation of instructive Gods. My mistake.
<P><I>[Infoburst: NAN= New Age Nonsense, the type of unproductive, wish-washy opinionating that your message comes perilously close to immitating. I did not of course say that I invoked furious gods, I said that the gods I invoke would be furious if I deigned to do so in a Christian cemetery. BB Denise W.
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graveyards
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posted by Anonymous
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In large city, 'green' is at premium; the parks are taken by the mothers & kids, they recognise us, & hate us: we, various covens, practice open air magic in cemetaries; nowhere else to go. Shades? Never noticed 'em, like the the statues though. Sadly, here, glue was replaced with heroin & crack long ago. Maybe you're susceptible to the Elysia, dunno. Maybe you have 'green', we've no choice.
<P><I>[Infoburst: NAN alert! NAN alert! Everyone always has choice, Anonymous. What's the point in haunting a graveyard when you can jump a bus or peddle a bike and find somewhere rural easy-peasy? Personally my gods would be <B>furious</B> if I attempted to evoke them in a place of the dead and quite rightly so. I am sure 99 of today's pagans would agree with me on this. BB Denise W] </I></P>
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Shades of the dead
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posted by William
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Hi Denise,
I was interested in what you said about shades of the cemetery blanketing
all else out.
I often feel an almost claustrophobic feeling if I have to go into a cemetery
especially a very large one which is the the location of my local crematorium
for funerals or to visit the garden of remembrance there, and was wondering if
this is these shades/spirits attempting to communicate, I also feel a kind of
sickly 'warmth' which I also once felt in visiting a cancer ward to see a friend who was dying.Is this just 'sensitivity' and can it be developed in any positive way ? eg Can visiting cemeteries open one up to mediumship if these
shades are so abundant ? I would mean in an unobstrusive way, not anything
ritual.
Regards,
William.
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RE: Churches and graveyards
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posted by Denise W
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Marabas says why on earth would anyone want to 'practice magic' in a graveyard? This shows a distinct lack of understanding of how entities occur. Entities exist around us all the time - as a ouija board proves. You don't have to go to a graveyard to get access to spiritual entities but if you did so then the shades of the cemetery would blanket everything else out - hardly a workmanlike experiment in psychic development! You are right in that many major pagan sacred sites were indeed comandeered by the early Christians. Firstly they cosied up to the pagans and built mixed faith churches. In some there were even side-altars to the Goddess. The Christians used the same tactics elsewhere. (Spain is full of Churches which were built upon the bases of destroyed mosques during the expulsions of the Moors and York Minster is itself built upon a Roman Pagan Temple). However only a small percentage of pagan sacred sites in the U.K. were used in this way. The vast majority of churches extant today have sites of no pagan significance. Additionally Britain is rich with genuine sites of pagan heritage with stone circles abounding all over the pennines and the moors. One only has to pick up an Ordnance Survey map to find a handful wherever you reside. Hence there is plenty of sacred space to go round without needing to conflict with any other faith-group. Only the peevish would dis-respect the ancestors of another religious grouping. Do as you would be done by. Couple this with the fact that most cemeteries today are the haunt of teenage glue sniffers and any suggestion that genuine magical workings can be performed at these places becomes a ludicrous idea technically and spiritually.
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RE: Churches and graveyards
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posted by ZBeyondR
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Greetings Dark Order,
do you practise in graveyards?
<P><i> [Infoburst: No he doesn't, he's just being silly and not thinking things through. Pagans didn't bury their dead within temples - just as Moslems don't bury their dead in Mosques. Burying the dead in graveyards is a Christian idea. Darkorder is right in that the Christians nicked all the pagan sacred sites (even St Paul's was built over a Roman Temple) and in the village of Rudston (the Rud Stone) East Yorkshire there's a 30 foot prehistoric menhir right outside the bloody church door to prove it!) but most town/city cemetries have no such associations and even if they did just how sacred would they be after over a thousand years of desecration? BB Denise W.]</I></P>
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