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Topic Repression. posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 21, 2008 at 03:13 AM Reply to this Message Write
Yeh, it's petty annoying. I out rank oto, and was taught the techniques verbally. This site isn't the right place to disclose the info. However, if Denise would kindly leave an email address, you might get your chicken after all. There are those who do not want knowledge made freely available, I don't mean oto. I offered
to answer any questions put, however, having looked through the
entire site, I find that the Sayings of Frater Marabus, and Denises insight, answer most questions, except this matter,and with
good reason.
The orders of Thelema are based on rank, I've worked hard, and now have authority to make changes to the original laws, as 'unforeseen matters' dictate. A lot of people want specifics on sex magick.
Perhaps, in collaboration with Denise, things could radically change.Things are changing. When I started practising Sex Magick,
it was called black magick. Of course we didn't write it down.
We'll see.
Topic I AM THE MAGICKIAN WHO MAKES THE GRASS GREENER posted by ricenpeas User
posted on May 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM Reply to this Message Write
A Novice point of view

So the O.T.O. has copyrighted techniques for unlocking MY SELF. All sounds a bit odd for the 21st century. Should i study golf as well. How many people would shop at the S.A. if M. wrote "don't tell anyone" at the end of his lectures. we live in a dangerous world and little bit of knowledge is better than none at all. information flow and if you try and block it your haed ends up your ass.

Big Belly Laugh

Ricenpeas
Topic Thelemic sex magick posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 11:34 PM Reply to this Message Write
5 mins later.......That was a crap answer I gave, partial explanation, a little knowledge a dangerous thing? Do S.A. stock Kenneth Grant: The Magical Revival? That could be of use.
Joshua, what country, city or town do you live in?
My base is in London, though I live elsewhere at times.
Just a thought.
Topic Thelemic sex magic posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 17, 2008 at 11:15 PM Reply to this Message Write
O.K, Denise, Hi, hope you're well. That's a very well reasoned reply; I'll try to give a sensible reply. The O.T.O. have copyright on these matters, and ,particularly in U.S.A. throw lawsuits at anyone who dares to publish their secrets. So, Joshua, you mention external facts without explanation, I can't directly explain,however, you do not have to partake of these fluids, O.T.O. might insist? Dunno, I'm of the Higher order,the oto do mass rituals, and are very much like a sexual freemason organisation.
We (My Order) are born to cross the Abyss,(Or aspire to do so) our work is entirely spiritual. OTO aid us, though we prefer to stay secret; in the few rituals we publicly perform,e.g, initiating a new member, we wear full face masks, only knowing our immediate Superior and inferior,
Our Human Guru's were pupils of Crowley. Many Thelemites choose to
work solo, building self confidence. I say this, as you may find this more suitable than oto.(A lot of Thelemites don't like that path, prefering individuality.)The fates direct the aspirant to a Master, if it is destined. Maybe sounding like an advert for S.A,
they do provide a wide range of books: O.k, I was in a foul mood before, with some thoughts from Denise, I'll carefully word this:
The phallus is traditionally Astral. So, oral sex conjoins the astral to the throat chakra, Daath, knowledge, an interplay of forces occurs. A 'tit-wank', dosn't sound so daft, if you consider The Magician's phallus, energised, stimulating the heart chakra; a sensitive woman is very aware of this, as the male is of her chakra, bathing his rod in light. The anus is an incredibly powerful chakra; it's like constantly generating electromagnet, the bio-electric carrier wave. I'm heterosexual, and have never been buggered, the act is usually performed on women, some enjoy this.
Morality: Some women choose to sell their bodies for sexual use. Some are heroin addicts, who do not menstruate, a side effect of the drug. So, for the Tantric, who worships the many female secretions,(worship is wrong word; desire?) heroin addicts;undesirable. Further, the magically unaware heroin addict is unaware that the the drug unleashes the cthonic lower realms; the hells/demons. The result is that, the junkie becomes entirely
qlippothic.(Bear with me, tie it together when finished, if you will.) A while back, a man spoke on this site of'cunning country magic, having sex with spirits.' He was describing succubi, as in the result of a wet dream,e.g. All sex without,(As male) the female life potential organ, the vagina, is spiritually sterile (qlippothic)---Bugger a junkie whore =.......
I have just erased a large piece of writing, this is not the right place/time.
Per vas neferendum,(By the unmentionable vessel) anal sex, is called 'fixing the spirit' as in varnishing a painting, 'fixing' the paint. It's not a form of sex magic I find useful; not my path.
Incidentally, I think I'll shut up now. You should have been able
to work out the purpose of Magickal buggery. Why did you assume it was a homosexual act? (I prefer pussy, but one of my scarlet women
enjoyed anal sex to the point of endless multiple orgasms, which blew back pleasantly on me,great fun!)
Well, I'm above the abyss, taught by a Thelemite Master, who was given the word by A. Crowley, now it's time to find my pupil. How?
I have stuff to do, will look in this site later in year.So, into the ether; master seeks pupil.
Well Denise, you talk good sense at times, at others, you have a wicked streak, winding people up. Fair enough, probably see you later. Sorry for berating you, Joshua, patience, friend, do as your true self dictates, accept only what truly appeals, and don't believe me, though you might like to consider my viewpoint.
For now, Goodbye. IAF SABAF.
Topic RE: Sex Magick. posted by Denise W. User
posted on May 16, 2008 at 04:05 PM Reply to this Message Write
Oh I don't know Draconuit - I can't see the OTO complaining about intelligent critique or comment providing that proprietary reserved teachings and inner-order mysteries are not revealed. You are right that this forum is not really the place for such an advanced discussion but if a neophyte asks an intelligent question then she/he is entitled to an intellligent answer and it may be more useful to direct the original questioner away from the seemingly obvious sexual connotations to the technical understanding of the Muladhara chakra rather than browbeat him about his lack of subtlety. BB Denise W.
Topic Sex Magick. posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 06, 2008 at 11:05 PM Reply to this Message Write
Of course, Joshua, plain terms, after all, who wants to do all that boring 'Study' stuff, when the mysteries are simply handed to you on a plate, with a lovely biccy, in your armchair.
The O.T.O are the outer: external order of Thelema. Our representatives, you are referring to things you know nothing about. Study Tantra, etc. etc. etc. The oto will not appreciate your. post, Seriously, study solo, seek The Higher orders if you will, but don't tread on oto's toes. With respect
Topic RE: Sex Magic posted by Anonymous User
posted on May 06, 2008 at 09:26 PM Reply to this Message Write
Well I can't say I'm disinterested in ever joining OTO but
I'd like to know it's not something where people get roped
into weird sexual practices as an end in themselves first.
I'm not homophobic BTW in case anyone thinks that's my angle.

- Joshua

posted on May 06, 2008 at 05:09 PM Reply to this Message
You've got this far, work it out for yourself, or join the O.T.O.
Topic Sex Magic posted by Draconuit User
posted on May 06, 2008 at 05:09 PM Reply to this Message Write
You've got this far, work it out for yourself, or join the O.T.O.
Topic Thelemic/OTO sex magick posted by Joshua User
posted on May 05, 2008 at 07:35 PM Reply to this Message Write
From what I've read, Crowley's system of Magick is ultimately
based on Sex-Magick, and the official rites of this are those
of the OTO, and when one reads about these rites they include
a lot of stuff about mixing and eating of semen/menstrual blood,
baking semen cakes and the like, and the OTO 11th degree from what
I can make out is receiving anal sex (from whom ?) What has all this to do with magic(k)? and isn't it dodgy to have to eat or receive another's body fluids or from someone outwith one's normal relationship ? Do Thelemic groups make it plain to candidates that somewhere down the line they'll either have to do this stuff or end advancement ? as it certainly doesn't seem to be plainly stated on their websites.
Any straight talking answers appreciated,rather than symbolic ones
please.

Thanks,

Joshua

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