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RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick
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posted by Denise W.
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Most magicians who use hermetic / qabbalistic rites know how essential it is to construct them accurately and closely to ensure that the energy is focussed and to avoid input from astral shells and other discarnate intelligences who try to piggy-back the forces of the rite. When one opens oneself to the Astral there is just SO much crud out there. Marabas teaches that free-floating discarnate entities will pander to the expectancies of the magician in order to trick him into sharing the power of the ceremony, often by assuming the identity the magician hopes to contact. It is essential to avoid that by using various techniques to exclude anything which will waste the magician's time or give him a poorly focused result. I too am shocked by the idea, current with a lot of spiritists, that a belief in goodness is all that is necessary when one opens onself up to 'channel' energies in a seance - that does seem rather uncontrolled to me in comparison. Having said that thousands of experienced mediums DO use that system and have done so for hundreds of years. As long as they can separate the wheat from the chaff in their results then there is no proscription against it but it can often lead to self-delusion. Marabas is of the same opinion and that is why he developed the new S.A. Ouija Board which, although it can be used like a regular ouija, is also equipped with an invocatory Dial and instructions showing the user how to specify contacts that will not mislead. [go http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm for full details] Denise W.
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RE: Ouija boards
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posted by Mrs J
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La mayyitan ma qadirun yatabaqqa sarmadi
Fa idha yaji' al-shudhdhadh fa-l-maut qad yantahi. – Haven’t got a clue what this means either – thanks for your guardianship Denise – much appreciated
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RE: Ouija boards
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posted by ricenpeas
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Thats pretty freaky Howard. I just got a leaflet through my door with an equaly strange message
AG ULLMHU I GCOMHAIR MOR-EIGEANDALAI
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Ouija boards
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posted by Howard
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I could never get the thing to make any sense and don't know anyone who
ever could. The planchette would move, sometimes very fast but the
messages were just gobbledygook. Here's an example:
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
Who knows ?
Howard
[Infoburst: Howard, stop winding up naive users of this forum. For any who want to take the matter further H P Lovecraft's esoteric writings will lead them in to the Cthulhu mythos - Denise W.]
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Ouija boards
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posted by JK
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The 'problem' with Ouija boards of course is that they were once
sold as a toy, some people found that the 'toy' actually worked,
it's reputation grew to where it was practically banned (In the UK)
although not illegal, then all sorts of folks usually school kids
or people at parties and the like started to use makeshift ouija's
with tumbler and card-letters. Of course, 99% of these people either
expected or wanted to have the living shit scared out of them and
naturally 'the Devil' obliged, with much exaggerated reports in books, tabloids, and warnings from the vicar. To my mind intelligent
use of a ouija by sincere people is not dangerous, and the SA does
not sell them to kids, and states a warning to the unsound of mind
not to use, and also tells all purchasers (in the instructions) to
beware and test all messages before believing them.
The hundreds of cheap-shite angel boards and crypt-boards on ebay
are a bigger 'danger' than the genuine occult board sold by the SA.
JK
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RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick
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posted by Mrs J
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Justin - Many years ago as a young person I was involved in a circle who met once a week to participate in the ouija board. I totally understand and agree with Israel Regardies comments in his Tree of Life book. We were very naïve at this time, we belonged to no esoteric path and indeed did not even talk of occultism being in the same vein of what we were doing. I would imagine in the time of I Regardie the people who worked the ouija board would not have taken it seriously and indeed as commonly known were at one time parlour games. Because we took no safety precautions we experienced very negative experiences. All the circle divorced and their lives became a mess. My husband and I were the only ones who came from this experience emotionally unscathed but I have never forgotten those experiences. Used in a safe way the ouija board is a tool that can be used with success. Kimball used the Rosy Cross oexp which is excellent and although I have not used or ordered the SA ouija board I am sure it would come with instruction for proper use.
[Infoburst: It certainly does come with instructions Mrs J. Often it is the priceless information by Marabas which makes all the difference to being able to safely put magical methods into practice and this is very much the case with our Ouija-Board which we have sold for over three decades now and during all that time we have only one record of a problem occuring out of hundreds of thousands of uses. Statistically that makes Ouija Boards the safest way to travel! You are right of course the Ouija was sold in toyshops up until quite recently when fundie pressure and the child-scare industry campaigned to have them removed. There's a big story beyind this but I haven't space to cover it here. See some of the details on http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/ouijatxt.htm
BB Denise W. ]
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RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick
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posted by kimball
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THE THREE BOOKS OF OCCULT WEAR WRITEN WEAR WRITEN IN A TIME WEAR PEOPLE WEAR STILL EXECUTED FOR WITCHCRAFT. so it is writen in a very lukewarm manner. but compare with the stuff of to day i can see what you mean. ive been trying the s.a weeje board withe necronomicon inscense and the rosy cross oexp after would i have gotten some nice result's.
[Infoburst: Kimball, just to clarify, JK was not speaking about the Three Books of Occult Philosophy by Cornelius Agrippa de Nettesheim but a book written as a polemic against Ouija Boards by some American fundamentalist with a similar name. Agrippa's book is a marvellous sourcework of occult information and initiated techniques which should be on every serious occultists bookshelf so treasure your copy and have faith in it - more details on http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/booklist.htm. Glad to have your feedback on your successes with the S.A. Ouija Board.
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RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick
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posted by Ron
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Yeah, Spiritualist mediums at that time were often the equivalent of
2.00 a minute phone-line psychics today.
- Ron.
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RE: For SA: Ouija boards and Magick
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posted by JK
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Justin,
I don't know about the Regardie book (I've read some of Crowley's
comments on spiritualism and they reflect on the fraudsters of the
time, also mentioning the astral shells and such).
I did waste money on the Cornelius book and it is utter drivel in my
opinion, almost seems ghost-written by some Pentecostal minister in
places (and acually quotes some American satan hunters !)There's only
a few lines actually by Crowley in the whole book so the title is
deceptive too.
I have one of the SA's older Weejee boards so I can't comment on the
spirit-dial but I can tell you there's no harm in trying it as long
as you're not mentally unbalanced to begin with. I think, and I'm sure
Denise can verify, the SA boards have positive/safe symbolism (Kabbalistic
I think ?)
Rgds, JK.
[Infoburst: Thank you JK, yes, our boards are very balanced, unlike some of the more commercial ones which include graphics of skulls, tombstones, and Halloween-type images. With those on the board what sort of contacts do users think they are going to get? No wonder Regardie was worried! ]
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For SA: Ouija boards and Magick
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posted by Justin
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Hi Denise/SA,
what is Marabas' opinion of the disdain for spirit communication and gaining of psychic powers and results-magic expressed by Israel Regardie in his book 'The Tree of Life' ? I have seen that Regardie is praised and quoted oftentimes by the SA, yet he seems to have had very different opinions, especially in the said book where he particularly knocks as dangerous all forms of attempted spiritism/mediumship without the use of Ceremonial magic. Quote: "The medium, once she has opened the door of her astral and psychic organization, is unable to control herself. Nor is she able to exert discrimination as to what shall or shall not enter by the open door and take possession of her personality". I was tempted to shelf Regardie's concerns as simply old fashioned but recently the same kind of thing has been put out in the book "Aleister Crowley and the Ouija board" by J.Edward Cornelius who says that persons using a ouija without Ceremonial magick, circle, triangle and all are liable to become possessed by demons. Regardie and Cornelius both suggest that 'normal'ouija use/spiritism usage is futile as it only attracts astral corpses who display no intelligence. My own opinion is neutral but I'd like to know what Marabas/SA think as you supply these boards presumably most used by non-ritualists(?) and is your Ouija safe because of the invocator-dial ? are
others without it dangerous ?
Thanks, Justin.
[Infoburst: Greetings Justin. I believe that the critical comments by Regardie about the 'freestyle' use of Ouija Boards in impromptu seances was a technical complaint, not a value judgement. See my contribution below for more details - Denise W.]
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