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RE: Derren Brown: enemy of the occult
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posted by Ricenpeas
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I would have thought so Denise. His premise seems to be that there is no need for a creative intelligence and this certanly shapes his opinions and the dressing for his shows. What he claims to be able to do is replicate paranormal happenings, not prove them wrong, the rest is just his own personal opinions. If I study painting and replicate the works of Austin Spare, i wouldnt disprove the existance of the "in-between world" despite the obvious that I had created the same effects as he on the canverse. I would only prove that i was as useful as a photocopier. To me if an opinion does nothing other than reduce things down to brick and brack then its a bit crap. As Magickians we are artists as well as scientist and as some famous dude said " The job of the artist is to deepen the mystery" .
I do like his promotion of hypnosis as a thing we should all try and get our heads round hence why im giving him such thought. Too many people think they cannot be controlled yet it happens to them most of their waking day. The Secrets of Mind Controll and the Master keys to Hypnosis serves as real eye openers, providing both defence and a cutting edge, a better buy than a Derren Brown Christamas Box Set.
Im gonna be offline for a couple more months so happy festival to all at the S.A. and all on the forum.
"Its all in your head, you just have no idea how big your haed is!!!!"
Rabbi Lamed Ben Clifford
Ricenpeas
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RE: Derren Brown: enemy of the occult
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posted by Ricenpeas
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I would have thought so Denise. His premise seems to be that there is no need for a creative intelligence and this certanly shapes his opinions and the dressing for his shows. What he claims to be able to do is replicate paranormal happenings, not prove them wrong, the rest is just his own personal opinions. If I study painting and replicate the works of Austin Spare, i wouldnt disprove the existance of the "in-between world" despite the obvious that I had created the same effects as he on the canverse. I would only prove that i was as useful as a photocopier. To me if an opinion does nothing other than reduce things down to brick and brack then its a bit crap. As Magickians we are artists as well as scientist and as some famous dude said " The job of the artist is to deepen the mystery" .
I do like his promotion of hypnosis as a thing we should all try and get our heads round hence why im giving him such thought. Too many people think they cannot be controlled yet it happens to them most of their waking day. The Secrets of Mind Controll and the Master keys to Hypnosis serves as real eye openers, providing both defence and a cutting edge, a better buy than a Derren Brown Christamas Box Set.
Im gonna be offline for a couple more months so happy festival to all at the S.A. and all on the forum.
"Its all in your head, you just have no idea how big your haed is!!!!"
Rabbi Lamed Ben Clifford
Ricenpeas
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RE: Derren Brown: enemy of the occult
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posted by Ricenpeas
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Hi Rob. What you say certainly sums up a bigott, though anyone who has been bullied by religion would recognise his fire. When pushed Derren will answer that there are alot of freuds or NAN offering there services and people should be aware of the power of there own beliefs and how they can be ripped off. For this I applaud him as everyone should get to know and take responsability for there own minds so they can make the right choises. Where I think he falls down is he devalues his own techniques, he devalues belief and boils it all down to meaningless phsycology. Some of the techniques he uses as a magician are similar to the techniques that i am learning as a Magickian, though we have different approaches and different goals and therefor different result. He could do with opening his own perception but he puts on a great show.
PS. Ideomotor effect, how else did he think it Worked!
Ricenpeas
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" I'd be happy to just encourage a more questioning approach and one of intelligent open-mindedness: which is where you balance things such as false memory, suggestion and auto-hypnosis, cold-reading, language tricks and charlatanism with the evidence in favour of the paranormal, in order to make a more informed decision about its veracity. Again, I would like to think that most intelligent spiritualists would agree with me there too."
Derren Brown interview with badpsychics
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[Infoburst: Thanks for the quote Ricenpeas. Interesting that Rob says Derren Brown admits to having being an evangelist (presumably Christian) and then tears into spiritualists (who are also Christians) as well as other psychics. Presumably he is now an atheist then, otherwise his criticisms of spiritualism would also apply to his own beliefs. BB Denise W. ]
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Derren Brown: enemy of the occult
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posted by Rob
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Hi Guys,
Intrigued byt the Derren Brown thing I picked up his paperback
'Tricks of the Mind'. He is an ex-Evangelical and cites Dawkins'
'God delusion' as his favourite book of all time maybe to convince
us. He is Very anti-occult/new age. He describes the 'average'
believer in psychic powers as 'fat, forty and failed, with a house
full of cats' and among other things has a section rubbishing
ouija boards as purely ideomotor effect, how to give cold readings
which he says all decent psychics do, the rest are honest but
delusional in his opinion. Perhaps worst of all he joins the call
for a ban on alternative therapies like homeopathy and herbalism
using the usual establishment line about people ignoring 'real'
treatments and the like. I used to like his show but now I think
he's a narrow minded bigot.
- Rob.
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[Infoburst: Well that's very interesting Rob - you aught to surf the SAFF site <a href="http://www.saff.ukhq.co.uk">http://www.saff.ukhq.co.uk</a>
as they specialise in puncturing the public images of evangelists posing as 'good guys'. They have a forum which you can contribute to as well (see leftmost column halfway down the homepage). Derren Brown often acts like a replacement for The Amazing Randi, an American prestidigitator who couldn't make it in general showbiz but who found he could make a living 'exposing psychic frauds' in the 1980s and 1990s. Marabas met him when he attended a celebrated TV discussion programme on the occult. Randi (whose name did not quite travel across the Pond for obvious reasons ;-)) apparently pulled some wheezy old magic tricks disguised as the occult but M and his colleagues spotted the plant in the audience and spoiled his trick and his act. Ha. The fact that some psychic phenomena can be falsely recreated (don't the media do this all the time in films etc?) has of course no bearing on genuine psychic experiences. BB Denise W. ]
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Eye of the Bengal Tiger
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posted by Ricenpeas
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Hi John
I would be in a better position to discuss this now (far from there but on the way).
I think we are chatting about the "evil eye" when we talk about an apponent transfixing us or projecting fear into us. Peter Carroll gives the basic technique for developing the fixed stare in Liber Null and Marabas gives a workable deffinition, which can be applied, in his Phsycic Defence CD. Holding high my Novice card I can crudely boil it down to 3 things...
1.. Controll of the body, ie. keeping a steady heart beat in a Bagdad bunker.
2 Controll of the mind, ie. remain focused on intent despite all disturbance.
3 A Knowlage of ourselfs and therefor others.
As they say "alot of fights are won before you step in the ring."
Ricenpeas
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RE: Derren Brown
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posted by Ricenpeas
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I have heard Derren say in a few interviews that he RECREATES occult experiences, and yep Im facinated. Nowhere does he say that the Occult is a load of rubbish but he does promote people to "question" what they believe. People can be very stubborn to what they believe is the Truth, as Carl Marx said "Man only drowns in water because he believes in gravity".
Ricenpeas
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Derren Brown
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posted by Watson
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Derren Brown, who has a host of videos others have posted on youtube
and evryone should check these out, is a total skeptic of the occult
and new age and also has an excellent book Tricks of the Mind.
His performances are pure trickery mixed with NLP and hypnotic
suggestion and an uncanny ability at cold-reading/body language, etc. His one rule is that he does not use actors/stooges. From his
videos you'll see he is recommended as a top psychic without hesitation by other 'psychics' (search for Derren Brown, Messiah)
as well as converting atheists to Christians, etc. then they
de-convert when he lets them in on the trick...simply amazing.
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[Infoburst: Elementary my dear Watson but Derren's antics are pure showbiz and cloak what is really going on which is that Derren is creating an arena where the cultural and moral limitations of the people he is 'hypnotising' are removed. Thus it is not Derren who has the power but the subjects themselves. All the crap about NLP is just psychobabble for a state of mutually agreed suggestion. Despite the common misconception that anyone who is hypnotised gives up their own will to the hypnotist, all that happens is that existing latent powers of the individual are given the confidence to emerge BY MUTUAL CONSENT. In his CD
<a href="http://www.sorcerers-apprentice.co.uk/tapecass.htm">
Master Keys to Hypnosis (click here for more details)</a> Marabas teaches how this happens and how anyone can do it for themselves without the risk of being used as a prop for TV gurus.
BB Denise W. ]
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RE: Occult & Martial arts
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posted by riceNpeas
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Hi John. Derren Brown is for real. He reproduces things like the "death touch", "spiritualism", "converting to Christianity" using mondern techniques like hypnosis, nlp, missdirection and many more. Its very mechanistic and i just posted it for a bit of craic.
I enjoyed the artical by David Cherubium and i think he stesses the point of focus and intent which is what you are probably experiencing when your aponent is giving you the Evil Eye. Alot of magician (especialy hardworking ones) prescribe physical exercise including karate as it bring you into an alert and focused state, beta. Its the same feeling I get with a good Banashing ritual, the senses are aware and the mind is single pointed. Over exercising brings on heavy gnosis which when moved by Will is a power source for your sells/sigils
Taoist sorcery does interest me but its hard to get good info. I have just ordered a couple of Wudang Kung Fu DVDs with subtitles. If I find anything interesting in them I will post.
Lastly. I find Thelmapedia quite interesting for little snips. There is a nice little artical on Taosim heres the link
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Taoism
Nice One
Rice n Peas
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RE: Meditation, Yoga, Physical training.
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posted by John W
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Rob,
Thank you for your recommendations. I have read some books on Chaos magic
but not the Book of Results. Interested to hear your comments on Magick
by Crowley.
I will put both on my 'to get' list. Cheers, John.
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RE: Occult & Martial arts
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posted by John W
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Thanks for that Ricenpeas. That was impressive stuff. But is Derren Brown
for real ? Hard to tell with TV. I've seen his show a few times and it's
really weird how he can pull some of the things off unless there's
collusion and trickery involved. What I have experienced is the ability
of experienced Martial artists to pull their opponent into a rhythm and
sort of hypnotise or mesmerise them during a fight, also to instill fear
almost telepathically to defeat opponents almost effortlessly. I have
been advised to never concentrate on an experienced fighters eyes as this
is usually how they lock onto you, rather to 'distance view' their whole
body, or 'not stopping the mind'.
John.
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