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RE: Lucifer.
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posted by Anonymous
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Good morning. I always thought the word 'Easter' was derived from the Saxon Goddess EOSTRE who is and was celebrated around the spring equinox.
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RE: Lucifer.
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posted by JK
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Hi ONU,
I was thinking about what you said about Lucifer
representing the perfect man and how in Xtian cosmology
this would be Christ as the 2nd or perfected Adam, and to
the Kabbalists, Adam Kadmon.
Another Christ/Lucifer/Ishtar connection in mundane life
may be the holiday of Easter which is named after Ishtar.
The Jews did not have Easter but the crucifixion story
happened around passover, corresponding to Easter being known
to the Jews as a neighbouring Pagan festival of Ishtar
from where the eggs of fertility come and possibly also
the hot cross buns ?:
Jeremiah 44:19 "And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her.."
Best regards,
JK
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RE: Lucifer = Ishtar
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posted by Plisskin42
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Thanks to you and to all who replied directly to me on this posting. I am approaching Lucifer as a means of liberation, not Satan as usually promoted in Xtianity - in particular as an embodiment of light/dark - an incorporator of life and beings in all their facets and manifeststion - liberation being, arguably, a transdence of this opposite/polar thinking and being. I will follow up the references and suggestions re:Ishtar, Babalon and the Egyptian pantheon. I appreciate the summary of practices/disciplines given in this thread also. Another line of enquiry might be Blavatsky on Lucifer. Lots for me to think about. Best wishes.
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Lucifer.
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posted by ONU (Draconuit.
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Greetings; Having cogitated on recent info, I'm looking at this vista.
Gods emanations; The ArchAngels, have independent thought, that they do love, an Angel knows only of love, though an Angel may be of Martial nature,He adores The Creator. God's best Angel,
presuming Himself equal, is cast down from The Supernal Heavens.
He must have been a part of sphere 3, The Great Mother, Ishtar-Babalon. As light bearer, His logical station would be at sphere 6; Tiphareth, sphere of The Son/sun.
It is written that, as Lucifer did fall, The Beast did rise, It
had 10 heads,( Spheres on the tree of Life?) and 7 crowns,( Planes on the Tree?) and is also referred to as The Dragon.(technically,
the Dragon with a small voice, or horned Dragon, comes after The Beast, 'finishing off'. Blake's paintings portray The Dragon as destroying The xstian Church. Re: The Bible/W. Blake.)
If we consider sphere 6 as The True Soul of Man, and 'The Beast' as Man at full potential, we have Man. Lucifer being another term for
The Christ-self, The Atman, The Holy Guardian Angel or whatever your belief structure word. That's simply my personal musing on the subject, one viewpoint, 'a bit of a chat' no more. Best wishes.
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Lucifer.
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posted by ONU (Draconuit)
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Hi J.K, The Ritual: 'The marriage of Babalon and Lucifer' has been pulled, tucked away.
The concept I get, that Lucifer,as man, The very best of God's independant creations, relates to the Egyptian " Asar-un-Nefer."
This is is the perfected self, inner self of the higher self, the true will. Here, the word 'God', is a stain, an imperfection, and
all illusion must cease, including the illusion of God, for there is only ones-self.
To consider evolution ; Lucifer seems intertwined with 'The Beast'
further/later being identified with the accuser of evil souls, Satan, 'though to my mind, they're different entities.
This forum has clarified that Satan is a Holy force of devine justice, and, as I was just reading, Lucifer, the bright morning
star, is a name for Jesus Christ...also 'Baphomet' is said to
be a later development of Lucifer.
I'm currently content, on the Human relationship angle, to consider Lucifer as The perfection of Man. As Babalon is as Woman
fully empowered, the marriage of these, being a certain symetry.
As a young man, I took two Magickal names, The Luciferian name meaning that human/demon me, controlled and become as of the light.
Taken to the utmost, Asar-un-Nefer, is good enough, though new
information might arise, opening new possibilities. Happy hunting!
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Lucifer.
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posted by ONU (Draconuit.)
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Hi J.K, not rambling at all!
Yeh, I've read of 'Lucifer =Christ. Remember, of the 13 dead sea scrolls found, only 5 were used , apparently, ignoring knowledge,E.G. of re-incarnation. Then the translation from Hebrew
was butchered: You can't blame xstianity on Christ!
The ancient city of Babylon; 2,300-612 b.c. was the centre of a flourishing empire, now in Al Hillah; Iraq.
The most popular Goddess of The Assyro-Babylonian Panthean was Ishtar, patron of the famouse Ishtar gate.
She is the counterpart of the Semitic Goddess Astarte, who is, I believe, a Star Goddess.
The Greeks worshipped Her as Aphrodite, and Hera! Aphrodite being Astral, the Daughter becoming into actuality, whereas Hera is a 'High Goddess, spiritual Great Mother, of The Supernal region.
She was worshipped as of fertility, sexuality, but also of war and
death, also she was the guardian of prostitutes,and was worshipped
with sacred prostitution.
Putting this together: If you picture a sphere, the top half could be seen as Nuit, Infinite Space and the Infinite stars thereof, the bottom of the sphere can be seen as the manifestation of Nuit, as Babalon, a concrete form, a Great Goddess, who,having
given birth to All, at Binah, as Great Mother, accepts All,
when the time comes, refusing none. Hence 'the great whore.'
In th 1940's, seven scrolls were found, in Egyptian caves. 'Ishtar' was what we now understand to be Babalon. She dwells
just on the other side of The Abyss, and is actually able to descend below, to redeem. She speaks in profound, above Abyss ways; " I was sired by my husband, who is my son." This does make
sense, from Her point of view. This 4,000 yr. old Goddess, has
at last come into Her own, as Woman in Her full, vibrant potential,
A most relevent Goddess of our New age. To recap: Ishtar, is
alive and becoming ever more Glorious, now known as 'BABALON The Great' 'Our Lady' of Thelemism.
Right on target, there, J.K. I wonder how you pieced it together?
There are some High Thelemites, including Lon Milo DuQuette, who lodge in Arizona. They are mainly of Chesed, The sphere of The Teachers, they write new Rituals, I'll settle down to research, find the ritual; " The marriage of Lucifer and Babalon." I'll write
what I find; I guess these guys will have interesting takes on
this. Nice to know you've got your teeth into something juicy, I
need to know more of this! You sure ain't rambling, fellow seeker,
more later.Light, Life, Love and Liberty to All.
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Christ as Morning Star
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posted by JK
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Hi, Just me rambling again:
Whilst checking my concordance for Lucifer/Morning star I also found these
Bible references to Christ as the Morning Star. Jesus=Lucifer ? A question
for Draconuit, what do you think of the Ishtar/Lucifer theory ? Is there
any correspondence to the Thelemic Nuit or Babalon ?
-JK
2Pet.1
[19] We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Rev.22
[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
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RE: Lucifer = Ishtar/Goddess ?
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posted by RP
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Yep - just as I thought! The postings on this topic are bullshit!! this will piss you but I'm saying nothing! Hehee
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Lucifer = Ishtar/Goddess ?
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posted by JK
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Ishtar is a Goddess, not a God, sorry.
and the morning star is Venus, corresponding
to Aphrodite, Sexual love, etc, so the
Goddess come into it too.
JK
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Lucifer = Ishtar
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posted by JK
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Hi Plisskin,
My understanding is that Lucifer as a god is actually the
babylonian Ishtar and not connected to 'Satan'. By way
of explanation below:
Contrary to the popular xtian myth of the Devil which is not
scriptural, Judaism has no devil, no embodiment of evil who tempts
us. Satan means adversary/accuser as in Numbers 22:22 where
the LORD himself is represented as an adversary (Satan). Same
as in I Samuel 29:4 and II Samuel 19:23, etc.
The idea of Satan as a kind of prosecuting attorney for God comes
from the book of Job which is allegorical, and the word used is
Ha'Satan, a title which refers to a definite being or person, in
this case the angel God uses/allows to test Job, and who NEVER
'rebels' against God. He just does his job in the scheme of things
like the angel of Death.
The idea that Lucifer is Satan and they are the same or aspects of
the same, and that they are a 'fallen' angel comes mainly from
Isaiah 14:12, where the 'Bright, Shining Star, Son of the Morning..'
has been translated into the Latin 'Lucifer' meaning Shining One.
The verse refers to the Babylonian King by symbolically linking him
to the Babylonian god Ishtar whom the writers/translators of the Bible
do not name so as to avoid giving him any credence. Also this continued
practice in modern Bibles keeps alive the Fallen angel story.
To better understand Lucifer, go to the source who is Ishtar.
Best, JK
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