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RE: Jersey Children's Home Haute De La Garonne
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posted by Julian Karswell
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And now we hear, as the policeman in charge of the investigation is suspended that:
1 The fragment of skull really was just an old piece of coconut shell
2 The shackles found are really just bits of rusty metal (possibly a bed spring)
3 There was no blood in the cellar, and the bath hadn't been used since 1920
4 Of 170 pieces of bone found, only 3 were human, and 2 of them dated 1470-1670 and 1650-1950.
5 The secret underground chambers were just holes in the ground
In short, no killings, but £4m spent. Shame they didn't read this bulletin board - they could have saved a bob or two.
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RE: Jersey Children's Home Haute De La Garonne
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posted by Arnold F
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Here's the latest update on the Jersey Case which clearly looks like it will be another example of millions of pounds of taxpayers money unnecessarily wasted on a SRAM related scare. Using an 'attack is the best form of defence' strategy the Jersey police PR machine has just put out a statement that 'A Murder Probe Has Not Been Ruled out' which basically is a softening up exercies to prepare the public for the fact that it actually has and the case is being stepped down. After two years of wasting scarce police resources on this latest wild goose-chase the Press Association Report also contained some VERY revealing police statements including:
Tests to date the remains are still ongoing, but Mr Harper said results so far were not encouraging. Early carbon dating results gave an age bracket for some of the bone fragments of 1650-1950.
In other words these very tiny, insignificant bone fragments which were originally blared by the British Press as 'A Child's Skull' are not only so historic as to be virtually innocuous but that it is also impossible for the police to say whether they came from a child or an adult. So that blaring headline 'Child's' Skull' which was accepted by millions of British readers was wrong to the extent that it was neither a child, nor a skull!
Another statement from the police which indicates their lackadaisical approach is the statement that:
More than 100 human bone fragments were found at the site, with one piece identified as coming from a child's leg and another from a child's ear.
....when everyone with more than half a brain-cell knows that ears are made not from bone but from cartilege which soon decomposes. Certainly none would be evident if the remains were from the 1950s.
One has to ask whether an inquiry should now commence over the appalling way this investigation was handled.
Full story can be seen on:
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/latest-national-news/Jersey-murder-probe-not-ruled.4347523.jp
Arnold F.
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RE: Jersey Children's Home Haute De La Garonne
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posted by Arnold F
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Hi all,
Further to my earlier posting on this thread in which I expressed my suspicions about the way the Jersey police were handling the Haut de la Garenne, readers may be interested to know that the 'child's skull' which a sniffer dog was supposed to have found and which shot the case into headlines all over the world, has turned out not to be a skull but a coconut! You couldn't make it up could you? Even worse, according to a superb analytical article in the Mail on Sunday by David Rose, (see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=567013&in_page_id=1770 )
the police knew about this weeks ago and have been hiding the fact whilst continuing to infer that the fragment WAS human even though the scientists who tested it have written to them twice insisting it isn't!
The police are now insisting that they have found a further 20 human bone fragments including children's milk-teeth. These fragments have also not been tested properly as yet and may turn out to be just as problematical. The important thing to remember, is that apparently, although billed in headlines nationally as 'fragments of a child's skull' the actual piece of bone is so minuscule as to be impossible to pick up without tweezers! How this ridiculously small piece of 'evidence' ever got worked up into a 'child's skull' is the biggest mystery of all - it is so small as to be impossible to tell what it is without chemical analysis which did not occur for many weeks after the first claims were made. Shades of the Satanic Ritual Abuse Myth where ludicrous claims were made and printed as though fact and later turned out to be complete fiction!
Here's how CEEFAX broke the news.
Ceefax Page 109 Sun 18 May 16:25/53
BBC HOME
Jersey 'bone' find now questioned.
A piece or bone that sparked a massive police search at a former Haut de la Garenne children's home now appears to be a shard of wood or coconut shell.
Police on the island of Jersey have confirmed that forensic experts in Britain believe the discovery on 23 February is not a skull fragment.
The find was the first piece of significant physical evidence in a two year old probe into child abuse.
Police in Jersey say the latest twist does not affect their investigation.
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RE: Jersey Children's Home Haute De La Garonne
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posted by Andy
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Anyone interested in this story can read a wonderful piece at
http://www.richardwebster.net/jersey1.htm
It's long but brilliant
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RE: Jersey Children's Home Haute De La Garonne
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posted by anonymous
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continued.....
(E) FINALLY I strongly suspect that Scotland Yard also realise that this affair is a farce as per the following:
'Body Hunt Cop Heads To UK For Help'
by Sky News - Thursday, March 13, 2008
A detective leading a child abuse probe in Jersey after a human skull was found at a former care home will meet Scotland Yard specialists today.
Deputy police chief Lenny Harper is to talk with officers who have experience of major investigations.
Some have already been helping the Haut de la Garenne care home inquiry.
His visit comes as search teams on Jersey are continuing to clear rubble from the second of four underground chambers. .................
FINAL COMMENT: This affair is an obscene disaster that has a lot in common with our Irish Salem Witch-hunt.
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RE: Jersey Children's Home Haute De La Garonne
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posted by anonymous
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ERSEY ABUSE 'SCANDAL' IS A SCAM
Consider the following:
(A) THE SKULL
'Jersey Child Abuse Case'
New Statesman, 6 March 2008 by Brian Cathcart
.......... Day after day was passing, and what did we know? What appeared to be fragments of a child's skull had been dug up at Haut de la Garenne, but Deputy Chief Officer Lenny Harper kept reminding everyone that the fragments had not been confirmed as human and the necessary scientific tests would take weeks.
The "painstaking" digging and sifting was slow to bear fruit and Harper would not confirm that shackles had been found. The "bath" in the cellar photograph looked odd but not intrinsically sinister (though there were worrying graffiti) and other bones that turned up were thought to be from animals. .........................
(B) THE GRAVES:
'Jersey 'Graves' Could Just Be TV Props From Bergerac'
Timesonline, 4 March, 2008 by David Brown, Jersey
Signs of burials at a Jersey care home at the centre of investigations into widespread child abuse could be the remains of a graveyard created for the BBC drama series Bergerac, detectives have been told.
A police radar search last month had uncovered a number of locations where digging had taken place in a field behind Haute de la Garenne, leading to fears that child victims had been buried.
But detectives have now been told that the finds could simply be the results of filming for the police drama series shortly after the home closed in 1986.
A police source said: “The field was turned into a graveyard. They used fibreglass gravestones but they were going to have a burial scene, so they also actually dug a number of full graves.
“The full graves go quite deep. They were filled in, and the places where there had been digging registered on the radar. No-one realised until one of the local officers pointed it out."
Lenny Harper, the deputy chief officer of Jersey Police, has insisted that the site must be dug up just in case, because he is determined that the investigation will be complete and thorough.
“When Lenny was told the real reason the radar had found so many suspicious spots was because of Bergerac, he put his head in his hands and uttered a few choice words,” said a police source. “But it [the search] is now being done in the full knowledge that there is an alternative explanation for the areas of interest.” ...........
(C) THE SHACKLES:
'No More Human Remains Found At Jersey Home, Say Police'
UK Guardian, 3 March 2008 by David Batty, Ian Cobain and agencies
.......... Officers have discovered there may be as many as four rooms beneath one wing of the 140-year-old building, and suspect there may be other cellars that will need to be examined.
However, it is thought that shackles found in a cellar last month may have been used to restrain livestock and may have played no part in the abuse. ..............
(D) MOREOVER a 'specialist military team' brought in to help search for bodies, finished their work in double-quick time. (See 'Jersey Abuse Probe: Specialist Search Ends' on www.alliancesupport.org on 10/03/08). Could it be that the military quickly realised that the whole thing is a farce that they don't want to be associated with?
Continued....
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RE: Jersey Children's Home Haute De La Garonne
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posted by Mike
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Am I the only person who would like to see a new proportional definition of child abuse which prevented any and everyone from jumping on the bandwagon whenever a case like this arises? At the moment the word 'abuse' covers a VERY wide parameter which enables any troublemaker from social services to haul in any unsuspecting parent or child carer on the flimsiest of pretexts.
The following definitions all qualify officially as 'abuse'.
Chastising a child with a smack.
Repetitively telling a child that he/she is worthless.
Locking a child away alone.
Leaving a child at home alone.
Holding a child down to avoid them doing harm to themselves and others.
Corporal Punishment.
Force feeding.
etc.
When Haute De La Garonne was first opened in 1867 orphanages and borstals throughout the U.K. used to flog and birch children as a matter of course. Twenty years ago corporal punishment, pin-down and solitary confinement were considered officially acceptable methods of dealing with unruly children in homes. All these things have, rightly, been outlawed so it is clear that any person who was an 'inmate' of any home before the 1970s has tales to tell which will be defined as 'abuse' by today's standards (and are entitled by
today's standards to considerable damages). It is not surprising therefore that when the NSPCC advertises for them there may be more than 160 'victims of abuse'
queuing up to tell their stories. However what surely is required is a sense of proportion and a reluctance to allow the general public to believe that all of these victims were tortured and perhaps killed there when it is clear from the statements of many that the worst excesses of rape and violence were only suffered by a handful of children. In contradistinction the impression
being given by the Media is that Haute De La Garonne was some kind of charnel house of repetitive abuse and murder exceeding that of Vlad the Impaler.
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RE: Jersey Children's Home Haute De La Garonne
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posted by Puretongue
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Hi Mike
I think you're on the ball with this one. As usual there's a lot of hype over and above any real concern for abuse that may or may not have gone on. The SAFF are tracking the case I hear, so people can expect more information to appear on the main site in due course.
Unlike the media, I'm sure it will be a measured and well thought out analysis of the situation.
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Jersey Children's Home Haute De La Garonne
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posted by Mike
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Hi folks. Who is tracking this Jersey Child Abuse case? I live in Guernsey and it seems to me that the Haute De La Garonne case has lots of motifs from the 1988 hysteria. The media is certainly going over the top. It seems that people have an inbuilt prediliction for expecting and believing the worst - hence even hard-bitten policemen are more easily swayed into making 'qualitiative' pronouncements when presenting so-called facts in this case. Terms like 'cellar' suddenly become 'a hidden underground chamber'. A small section of a human skull is found and before definitive forensic analysis it becomes ' The Skull of a murdered Child'. Instead of just reporting the facts commentators describe the house as being 'grim' and with a 'foreboding sense of darkness' about it. Nobody mentions the fact that for the past 20 years it has been a Youth Hostel where happy trekkers have enjoyed their holidays!
In seeking corroboration of their worst fears harbingers cast back for anything in the past and find that some other bones were unearthed during the 1980s when Haute De La Garonne was modernised. The media then goes on to chide the police at that time for believing those bones were from animals and for throwing them away so they cannot now be checked.... despite the fact that the police in today's investigation have also dug up animal bones and thrown them away because they were animal bones and of no significance to the enquiry!
Often it seems to me that in this case the police are gilding the lily in order to convince outside observers. For instance the entrances to the cellars under the house were said to have been 'bricked up in a very amateurish way' . The inferrence of course is that it was done by one of the perpetrators but anyone with any common-sense knows that unless brickwork is on show it is normally slapped together any old how as long as it is secure. The fact that the police saw this as 'evidence' could indicate the paucity of real evidence available to them.
Am I the only onlooker who thinks that this investigation is being corrupted because of a fashionable infatuation with TV forensic science programs such as CIS? And am I right when I recall that it was NSPCC over-eagerness in responding to false claims by victim imposters which prompted the Satanic Ritual Abuse scare of the late 1980s? I just mention it because it appears that in this case it is the NSPCC which is liaising with and compiling allegations from adults who claim to have been abused when resident at the home as children.
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