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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Ambrose Buldo - Racer27 - Citation FC
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Tony:
FYI-My work schedule keeps shifting, yesterday I was 90% sure I was going to be able to make it, now chances are less then 20%, which is why I've not registered or sent you guest list yet.
By Friday, I'll have all the parts to finish up the car. If I get help, car will be done and loaded the weekend before (Will need full re-aglignnet and scaling), just in case.
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Tony W FC46
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So who else is entered so far??
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Christopher Shoemaker
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To answer the questions outlined...here is a recap of VRG/FPR conversation today:
Watkins Glen - Update
Here is a recap of the conversations between VRG and FPRO today:
MINI ENDURO, the agreed format will be.......
7 minute - Pit (car @ stop) / Self Timed
ANY refuel / driver out of car & extinguisher on hand
No car can enter until after 10min of running or during the last (20 minute window)
Limited PitSpeed (1st gear / 3000rpm)
QUALIFYING....the agreed format is we plan on using fastest laps for FPRO grids on Friday and Saturday (bit different then norm). All other will grid behind the FPRO guys. Note - VRG has accepted some Ontario FF1600 cars (treaded Dunlops) and they will grid with you all
GUEST LIST......please provide any/all names of people you think may attend (crew, guests) to Lindsey. The track requires a list of all people beforehand - better to be safe then sorry.
VRG/FPRO will be running on the Watkins Glen (LONG TRACK). You are welcome to arrive anytime after 5pm on Thursday.
As always, feel free to reach out if you need to discuss. THANKS!
Christopher Shoemaker
chris@vrgonline.org
610.420.9746 Cell#
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Tony FC46
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Personally, I think you should be able to make the pit stop whenever you please, as long as you take the green flag at the start of the race. Basically you have to take the green (the start)and checker. Whichever way is decided, it needs to be simple-stupid so there are no misunderstandings, and make sure every racer and at least one person from crew is in the drivers meeting. Dont know if I necessarily agree with having to exit the car during pit stop (takes me about 10 minutes to get in and belted anyway!). Here is a crazy idea.. if no one is changing drivers, why dont we just make it a 38 minute race? I would think that we could all go the distance fuel wise...
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WG sessions
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posted by Ambrose Buldo
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Can the Sat Oct 20 9:45 AM Warmup (15 Min), be changed to timed qualifing for the 11:40 race? Then the enduro starting positions can be based on the race results.
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WG pit stratergy
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posted by Ambrose Buldo
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Pit stop is going to be intresting. Not sure what our burn rate is going to be. Not being there on Friday, gives us one session to figure it out. I believe we may be marginial in making it without refueling.
In speaking to LW, I know there will be a earliest you can stop and latest you can stop window. When does the 7 min start? When car is stopped and engine off? I believe everyone should be forced to sit with engines off for the full 7 min. I also know there will be pit lane speed limit (XXXX RPM, 1st gear).
I understand, we will be self policing ourselves with the stop. What is the penality for short stopping?
Short stopping can be policed via the timing sheet. Timing sheet, must show 7 MIn + in and out time (8 min total?) plus a time eqaul or greater then your last lap prior to pitting.
For example, you pit on lap 20, but lap 19 was 2 min even. You next lap must read 2 min + 7 Min + 30 sec in + 30 sec out. Total 10 min lap time.
What are the penalities for stopping in the early/late window. Can you make your stop under full yellow? Do you need to get out of the cart is noit refueling. I beleive everyone should get out of the car if re-fueling, even if refuling can be done with driver installed.
Lets kick around some ideas and come up wiht someting that is safe and works.
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Ambrose
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Looks like TENTITIVE Fri Sat Schedule is posted on the FPR home page ... www.formulaproracing.org
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WG
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posted by Ambrose Buldo
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I got bad news today ... I will definatly not be able to make LRP (Work has me out of state). Other schedling issues will cause me to skip Friday at the Glen. Can yu plese advise as to what the general schedule brekdown will be for the days.
LW - Better yet, give me a call... working from home, 201-784-9271
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Lindsey
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i THINK THESE ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO DO THE JOB.
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Ambrose Buldo
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We have a limited MK-5 Gear selection and are not going to make an investment in any more right now. For WG Long (W/Inner Loop), does this sound reasonable?
FC 2000 Citation - Pinto SHIFT RPM = 6800 -
10/31 R&P, Mid life Engine, High Downforce wings trimmed out
1st 16/26 Ratio 1.625 - MPH @6800 88.4
2nd 21/30 Ratio 1.429 - MPH @6800 100.5 - RPM DROP 822 - RPM 5978
3rd 21/26 Ratio 1.238 - MPH @6800 116.0 - RPM DROP 907 - RPM 5893
4th 19/21 Ratio 1.105 - MPH @6800 129.9 - RPM DROP 730 - RPM 6070
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Lindsey
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We always run the Long Course
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Ambrose Buldo
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Which WG Config are we running?
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Tony FC46
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yeh, I didnt really think I would be able to go 40 minutes on one tank (especially at the Glen being on Full throttle so much).. and I wasnt really keen on refueling being that my filler is about 6 inches from the header... gues I will start planning my "race strategy" now...
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Lindsey
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There will be a mandatory pit stop for the open wheel cars. A 45 minute race would leave you out of fuel. The stop will probably be 7 minutes to allow everyone to make it on 1 tank
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Tony FC46
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Hey Y'all..
I am planning on being there for Fri/Sat. I was away last week and didnt see the extension on the early bird special (Chris S- I will email you). I ran WG this past weekend w/SCCA, had a very good turnout (12 or so FC's).. I will lobby everyone I can to come out for this one. Are we running the long course or short?
Quick question about the mandatory 5 min pit stop.. are we doing that in the open wheel group?
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Lindsey
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Don't forget VRG is hosting a Dinner at the track on Friday night. All FPR members are welcome ($30 per person)
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Ambrose Buldo
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FYI - WWW.formulaproracing.org Member points have been posted. WG is a great oppurtunity to make up points.
FC1 1 61 Doug McKechnie 84
FC1 3 (tie) 27 Ambrose Buldo 28
FC1 5 (tie) 46 Tony Williams 17
FC1 4 79 Robert Zatz 18
FC1 6 83 Steve Garito 15
FC1 2 57 Vince Dolgetta 29
FC1 3 (tie) 47 Chris Monteleone 28
FC1 5 (tie) 24 Morris Pianelli 17
FC2 1 25 Lindsey Wolfer 77
FC2 2 33 Len Amato 20
FC2 3 55 Jerry Kaye 16
FC2 4 97 Scott Lawerance 13
FF 1 76 Pat Eagan 40
CF 1 56 Dan Finocchiaro 21
CF 3 77 Arnold Levine 17
CF 2 16 Jim MacNicholl 20
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Ambrose Buldo
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Check with LW to be sure on the FRCCA liciences,but it should not be an issue. I ran with FPR initially exclusively with the FRCCA Licience and had no issues.
Last time I ran WG, in my VD FF, it was quite fun. We ran in FRCCA SPEC and the Gears seemed very well suited to the long course.
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Lindsey
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Yes, they could race with FPR if they have race experience. Registration is through VRG for the Fri/Sat races; EMRA for Sunday race. They would have to pay $45 for a temporary membership. If they wanted to join FPR that money would be applied to a full membership that would extend into 2008.
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Doc Hudson
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Lindsey, i was asking for a few of the FRCCA guys. Yes, it would be the FRCCA Comp Licence and 4 to 6 races for each.
Thanks,
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Lindsey
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WE would accept the rcca license as long as it is a regular competition license and you have had a few races experience. You can email me if you have questions. lwolfer@optonline.net
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by chris@vrgonline.org
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I would have to defer to Lindsey.....
I assume this would be a CF with slicks, so you would run with Formula Pro. If you run the CF with treaded tire, then I can qualify you for VRG. Feel free to call me to discuss....
Lindsey - Do you accept FRCCA?
Chris
610.420.9746 Cell#
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by Doc Hudson
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Chris, Lindsey.
Are you accepting a current FRCCA Licence ?
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RE: Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by chris@vrgonline.org
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UPDATED LIST FROM LINDSEY....get your application in before 9/15 (postmark) for the early bird rate. If there is anyone else, just let me know and I will put you on the list - THANKS!
***REGISTERED***
XCF Valone, Gary
XCF Macnicholl, Jim
XFC2 Wolfer, Lindsey
XFC1 Monteleone, Chris
***UNREGISTERED***
XFC1 Williams, Tony
XFF Finocchiaro, Dan
XFC2 Kaye, Jerry
XFC1 Buldo, Ambrose
XFC1 Pianelli, Morris
XFC1 Dolgetta, Vince
XFF Egan, Pat
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Hear Ye, Hear Ye ... (Watkins Glen 10/19 & 10/20)
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posted by CSHOEM286
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Hello everyone.....I have been working with Lindsey on the upcoming Watkins Glen event. As you know 9/1 was the deadline for early bird special - I am reaching out to get car counts and help with the coordination. As such anyone responding to me on this forum before 9/15 - I will grant the reduced entry rate. Here is who we have registered to date:
XFC1 25 Wolfer Lindsey
XCF 44 Valone Gary
XCF 16 Macnicholl Jim
XFC1 47 Monteleone Chris
Let me know if you are coming, and I will add you to the list and let the EC know you will be granted the reduced rate. Need to have a list back to Bob by 9/15 end of day at the latest. LET ME KNOW - See you at the races!
Christopher Shoemaker
VRG, FPR
610.420.9746 Cell#
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