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RE: Looking for Promotion Ideas
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posted by Fred Schroeder aka: Doc Hudson
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I'm out of here, no more replies from me after this. Last Comment/Question. Ambrose how did it feel to Win an Open Wheel Race on Pocono North in your Open Wheeler while driving an FRCCA Event 2 years ago?
I will back away, Lindsey, Len and Ambrose BECAUSE YOU MISSED MY POINT.
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FPR / frcca
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posted by len
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ambrose
well said. i personaly will not run pocono due to poor track conditions & its lack of challange. shannendough is a really nice go kart track, would love to drive my kart there. it may be ok for a fv but its even micky mouse in a ford.. there are some of us who just prefer more challening road coarses.
if your an air head at heart, then dont go to tin tops and bash your brothen. instead focus that energy to help grow OW cars and EMRA together. if you take TT's to the track in tin tops, and the see you driving a tin top, chances are they will also drive a tin top. same would happen if you did OW. be part of the solutuon.
i see the main differnce in frcca and the FPR being frcca caters to spec ford series that doesnt want to travel. FPR cars are more modern FC cars that want to run at larger, faster, real race tracks. yes frcca has a FC class and there are 2 older cars that run, just has FPR has a few FF now and again. i would love to see larger fields as would all, but i dont think a merger would work.
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Looking for Promotion Ideas
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posted by A Buldo #27 FC
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Trust me, FPR, as an EMRA Club, aggressively tries to get racers out. FPR advertises. They send end mail blasts, call, nag, beg, plead. We offer significant event and season ending awards/prizes to entice folks. I've cooked lunch to get then to show up. We've offered to help get cars repaired, share lodging, etc. If people have other low cost promotion options, please send them to me via email. I'm very open to suggestions. Maybe a meet & greet at a event where potential OW racers can try on cars/ask questions?
We are continually making races aware, in particular new racers, that there are options out there. We try to do this without knocking another organizations in the process. Each organization has it's strengths and weaknesses. Most you can do is to try to make your package the best possible, give the racer the info and let him decide.
As for doing some joint races with FRCCA and other clubs, I am all for it. Discussion with FRCCA started soon after John took ownership, I hope it works out. I'm sure some with effort, win-win scenarios can be found.
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RE: FPR and EMRA
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posted by Lindsey
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With respect to your comment about frcca: John is doing a good job with what he has to work with. Their "25 car count" you point to is probably the Summit Point races run as the Bill Scott Formula Car Series. It is not an frcca race series and the drivers who run their are not all frcca members. At best they have 10-12 cars at one of their races. If john wants his series to run with EMRA thats fine with me.
I advertise and promote every EMRA event that Open wheel cars are allowed. If a driver comes to race they should be welcomed . Those that don't have their reasons and it is not because they don't support EMRA
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RE: FPR and EMRA
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posted by Lindsey
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I've been driving Formula cars for 23 years; the track conditions at Pocono have been deteriorating for years. My car gets "beat up" every time I go there. Many other Open wheel drivers feel the same and it is their choice if they wish to race there. The same goes for Shenandoah.If a driver or group of drivers doesn't go to a race that doesn't mean they don't support EMRA. The race schedule for Open wheel drivers has alot less venues than for the other groups. Its no ones fault and the race chair is doing a great job. But when there is a 2 1/2 month gap in the schedule prospective members and current members have to look elsewhere to find races when the weather is still mild.
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RE: FPR and EMRA
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posted by Fred Schroeder aka: Doc Hudson
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Lindsey, since you pointed to me i'll respond. FPR doesn't come to Pocono because of Track Conditions, Doesn't go to Shenandoah because of Track Conditions. As a Member of FPR/EMRA I've Driven all configurations of Pocono and Shenandoah and with all due respect find that a lame excuse. Abandonded was a poor choice of words, I apologize. Lindsey, I Consider you a friend and didn't mean to attack you or FPR.
Your right all car counts are down at EMRA, a reason i desided to return to Tin Tops, Larger Race Groups Than Open Wheelers.
The point i was trying to make: If only 4 tin tops showed up for events, per event for 2 years i'd be asking EMRA to LOOK AT THEMSELFS AS A BUSINESS and allocate/advertise Track Time For Those Who Show.
With the Changes Taking Place With FRCCA [who has 25 plus cars per event and fields growing each event] i was hoping to see a "Business" merger that would bring larger fields back to EMRA.
Having said that, i'd like to see a "Business" merger with CART who has 40 plus car fields and is only interested in TT"ing
Again, My Apologies for a poor word choice.
Fred Schroeder
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FPR and EMRA
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posted by Lindsey
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Contrary to what has been posted (Fred), FPR has not abandoned EMRA. The car counts for all classes have been down this year. Many Formula drivers do not go to Pocono because the track conditions are terrible. They want to support EMRA because FPR is a club within EMRA( check the web site , Fred). The schedule the second half of the season has a 2 1/2 month gap with no races for Formula cars. If alternative races are not found then FPR members will join other series to race.
If a driver pays the entrance fee he is entitled to race just like anyone else. If you take their money don't then say "you didn't bring enough of your friends" and cut their track time. It is not the individual drivers responsibility to fill the grid. In this economic time it is hard for all classes to be as they were. Two to three years ago there were 20+ Formula cars on the grid. This year Big Bore and Small Bore have to be combined. It is everyones job to try and help build us up not point fingers at who didn't "show up".
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RE: EMRA game plan for 2010 ?
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posted by Fred Schroeder aka: Doc Hudson
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FPR [Formula Pro Racing] has abandoned EMRA. Just check out their website and published schedule.
Why are they being given any consideration for Track Time when they don't show and the Schedule has to be adjusted the day of the Event/s ?
I was an fpr member/supporter and my heart remains an open wheeler but i wish to suppprt EMRA 1st.
If this is considered negative speak, and against EMRA policy shut down the site and Board, Butt these things and others Chas pointed out are things the current directors should be listening to in this venue.
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RE: EMRA game plan for 2010 ?
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posted by Doc Hudson
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Chas, excellant analisis.
My biggest problem with EMRA is they don't have speell cheek on this Board.
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RE: EMRA game plan for 2010 ?
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posted by Doc Hudson
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Steve, on behalf of EMRA [which i have no legal right to claim]Thanks for your kind words. We all look forward to Push Starting that "Lawn Dart"
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RE: EMRA game plan for 2010 ?
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posted by steve osburn
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after reading all of the input on this issue, i have been incline to give my own. i have been a member of s-x for almost 15yrs. most of which has not been on track. i'm a vee guy and initially, i had a lot of problems getting my car sorted. then as fate would have it, had a series of health concerns. a few years back when i thought the car and i were ready to go, i find my car was no longer in compliance with safety regulations,i.e., fuel cell, automated fire system and last but not least, kevlar side intrusion stuff. i got the cell last year. had to have it special made. the other is off the shelf. all this cost money. but i still intended to be back on track this year. not. i get laid off from my job. its hard to do this sport on a shoestring. impossible with no budget at all.
BUT i still hope to be there next year. where else can you do this type of thing for less than with EMRA? i really hope to be out there with the rest of you next year. employment willing. thanks for letting me get that off my mind. steve
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RE: EMRA game plan for 2010 ?
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posted by Charlie Greenhaus (NOT Entropy Racing)
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Some personal thoughts on EMRA with no business angle from Entropy
I think that a key to the "game plan" for next year involves a number of things, not the least of which is how healthy the last 2 events are.
I would also think that Formula Car Drivers need to express their intent to participate in 2010 if EMRA is to continue to give them track time at all race events.
Based on this past weekend, Time Trialist should get first pick at track time, and although there were only 7 cars in the enduro, that is about the same number of cars as were in small or big bore if you were to separate the groups as has been done in the past. Couple that with the higher entry, and Enduros are the better business for the club as well as good value for tracktime.
the time has come to make hard decisions for EMRA's future, and if you want your interests represented SHOW UP. Talking here goes nowhere if you don't put your money where your typing fingers are. If you feel strongly that you wish EMRA to survive and thrive, you will brave the weather occasionally and show up at most events.
If I had a say , which I do not, I would say that if EMRA cannot show 10+ formula cars at Summit, Next year's Formula car events will be limited and not at all events. Say, NJMP, Summit, and maybe 1 Pocono. The events where there were a good # of cars were pre-arranged with VS2000 and we brought a new club in to fill the field. That is good and more of that needs to happen.
Has anyone polled the drivers to find out if they would like 2 day events instead of single days most times? For Non Enduro days, a double TT and Race weekend would be easily possible, and if TT drivers want more events, (or a different structure) they should get them based on their contributions and #s. I also noticed that there were more volunteers at the TT day than race. Better support = better event.
Just thoughts.
PS Transponders in TT cars is very cool, and even some of the die-hard Timed run guys see the possibilities for time savings with their use. Change is good, as long as it is done for improvement rather than its own sake.
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RE: EMRA game plan for 2010 ?
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posted by Doc Hudson
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FOG, my friend. I was pointing towards the First post and wanted to be sure the TT'ers were addressed also.
Not a problem and I totally agree EMRA has always been approchable and address's our concerns. After spending two days at Pocono with the young'uns it seems they prefer this venue Vs us Dinosars who Prefer to Speak.
I would suggest anyone who prefers Electronic World, use the "Contacts" section of the Home Page, everyone is listed there.
Regards,
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RE: EMRA game plan for 2010 ?
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posted by FOG
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Doc -
I certainly did not mean to imply that this forum is not a good place to ask questions of the volunteers who help to run EMRA, only that a better place to be heard is through attending Board meetings or through the existing club rep system.
As we all know, the not so recent history of this group has shown (not accusing you in particular, in fact, just the opposite) that from the safety and relative anonymity of the internet the conversations of that nature around here quickly turn bad and become more destructive than constructive. I don't think any of us ever want to see that happen again.
Bob K, Bill G, Marty, and the others who make this place show and go are all very approachable. Call them, send them emails, and offer your suggestions for what you think can/should be changed for next year.
Rob, who was signed up for and looking forward to the 2 Hour @ Pocono but had to withdraw at the last moment.
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RE: EMRA game plan for 2010 ?
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posted by Doc Hudson
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NEI, Didn't you mean "ALL OF US" not just "Racers".
I think this a Great Venue for the people in charge to talk to the Paying Attendees.
Doc Hudson: Racer and Brings TT'ers.
Besides talking with our Club Reps [thanks Bill G of SX who keeps us informed] why can't we in this Forum ask things of our Leadership ?
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RE: EMRA game plan for 2010 ?
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posted by FD
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NEI - be happy to listen to yours and bring them up at the meeting if you wish to discuss.
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2010
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posted by FOG
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EMRA remains, as always, a racer run organization for racers. The Board does not exist in a vacuum - if you have suggestions to make things different or better, please come to a Board meeting and make yourself heard. If you can't do that, contact any of the current Board members and let them know what your suggestions are.
I would suggest that this forum is NOT the best way to go about addressing these things because of the rapidly deteriorating nature of any internet discussion (and not just those held here in the not so recent past). Come to a Board meeting, tell your club rep, contact a Board member, and offer suggestions. You might be surprised at how willing they are to listen.
WB, Hero, Retired.
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EMRA game plan for 2010 ?
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posted by #62 NEI
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I would like for EMRA to lay out its game plan for 2010 for all of us to see. Specifically whats going to be done to make the racing aspect much much better.
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