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Topic Kidwelly posted by Liz K (twitter @oneoflokis) User
posted on November 12, 2017 at 03:10 AM Reply to this Message Write is a great site and has a very informative page on Kidwelly: and many other great pages on SRA and many related and other topics. I have been tweeting them recently in view of the recent/current Transatlantic "moral panic" about sexual harassment. Lessons which I feel should be borne in mind during all such times: which can lead to witch-hunts. The saff site is a great resource. (And the story about the ouija board is super funny, too. ;) )

So: why are there no posts to this saff's board for this year??
Topic RE: Kidwelly convictions. posted by User
posted on September 24, 2014 at 05:06 PM Reply to this Message Write
Thank you for that Falcon. We did see that cutting much earlier at the trial but discounted it. Batley was neither a Thelemite nor a Mormon however it is easy to check the latter because to be a Mormon your name goes in their book of names (geni project) so it can be presented to god on judgement day. See:
There's no way one can be a take-it-or-leave-it Mormon. Sounds like Batley was laying a false trail. Arnold F
Topic RE: Kidwelly convictions. posted by Falcon User
posted on September 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM Reply to this Message Write
Abuser, Colin Batley admitted he was a MORMON whose religion was the Bible, he was NOT a Thelemite! See the evidence on the Aleister Crowley Society forum:
Topic RE: Kidwelly Follow-Up posted by User
posted on September 22, 2014 at 06:02 PM
edited on September 22, 2014 at 06:02 PM
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Thanks Alec, Amazing how the Kidwelly case suddenly reappears after three years with the key witness in the trial now claiming she was raped by 1800 Satanists, allegations which did not feature in the original trial! The woman has worked-up and exaggerated the case, ( probably after undergoing recovered memory therapy ) , but note how quickly the British Media jump on the bandwagon to promote the same unquestioning SRA allegations which they crowed about during 1990 and then failed to prove. This is particularly ironic in the case of the Dail Mail which carried the 'scoop' on this latest story, because the Mail won awards in the 1990s for busting the myth of SRA!
The British Press, don't ya just luv 'em?

Our 2011 overview of the Kidwelly case still applies to the new accusations. See it on:

A SAFFer just pointed out that the release of this 'book' synchronised with the Autumn Equinox and is being promoted through the usual Octoberfest of anti-Halloween propaganda.
Makes you fink donnit? Arnold.
Topic Kidwelly Follow-Up posted by Alec User
posted on September 22, 2014 at 03:00 PM Reply to this Message Write

`Satanic sex cult victim...` blah blah blah.

Somebody is plugging their new book in the Daily Mail. It`s referred to in our local paper, on the above link.
Topic RE: Kidwelly convictions. posted by John Freedom User
posted on September 05, 2013 at 09:33 AM Reply to this Message Write
Tut tut Eleanor, you've just been taken in by Child Scare Industry deceit. The article with the seemingly incontrovertible headline Satanic Abuse No Myth say experts was published THIRTEEN years ago in April 2000. It was a headline that the Independent later had to apologise for when it fell for another SRA scam related to pictures of a satanist supposedly eating a baby which turned out to be completely false. See our
This is the way that SRA believers always manipulated the media and forced the lie into the minds of the public; by associating one misrepresentation with another.
This discredited piece of journalism has nothing whatsoever to do with the Kidwelly case which didn't happen until a decade later.
The misuse of the Independent article by Harris is clear evidence that he has no evidence otherwise he would use that instead. Harris says he KNOWS that satanism was involved in the Kidwelly case but in fact the SAFF knows that it was one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in British legal history. The truth will all unfold in time but meantime the fundies make hay with it. Unfortunately we cannot yet relate the facts due to an appeal being sub-judicae. Harris must know about the appeals, yet continues to obfuscate the issue and maximise the propaganda on this single case. The Kidwelly case was the ONLY case during 25 years of consistent witch-hunting which the SRA lobby successfully got to court and so they seek to capitalise upon it at every juncture. It's the same old exaggerations by the same old people. Just because someone says something is true doesn't mean it is. People should be educated to the truth. Why not post this information in other related forums so freethinkers can puncture the 'absolute certainty' of the fundie machine? You could add a comment to Harris's blog but I doubt he will allow it!
Topic Kidwelly convictions. posted by Eleanor User
posted on September 05, 2013 at 12:49 AM Reply to this Message Write
This has just appeared in social media and destined to spread like wildfire and create a bit of hysteria. Links in the article:

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